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		<title>Comment on Coldfusion Is Not Scalable by Jim Rising</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brendan ... and another thing (insert finger wag here) ... CF and PHP both came out in 1995 ... so if anything, both are the red headed step children of CGI. ;P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brendan &#8230; and another thing (insert finger wag here) &#8230; CF and PHP both came out in 1995 &#8230; so if anything, both are the red headed step children of CGI. ;P</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coldfusion Is Not Scalable by Jim Rising</title>
		<link>http://www.managedmayhem.com/2010/02/11/coldfusion-is-not-scalable/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan ... I've recently started to re-invent myself as more of a 'Web Developer' rather than a 'Cold Fusion Developer' for that very reason. I've got so many other things available in my wheelhouse that it makes little sense for me not to be somewhat agnostic about it. However... I do enjoy CF, and hope to continue developing in it when I have the opportunity.

@Brendan ... I don't know that everyone only chooses what they are comfortable with. If that was always the case, how would anything *new* gain any traction? I've frequently taken on contracts where the client has determined to use a specific technology, and rather than go through the salesmanship to deter them (from say PHP to CF) ... I went ahead and developed the project in the platform that they chose.

Like I said... I don't think good software comes out of the platform / language you use. Some of these tools are better for certain things... but at the core, a good developer is going to tend towards good (perhaps comfortable?) patterns no matter what language they are using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan &#8230; I&#8217;ve recently started to re-invent myself as more of a &#8216;Web Developer&#8217; rather than a &#8216;Cold Fusion Developer&#8217; for that very reason. I&#8217;ve got so many other things available in my wheelhouse that it makes little sense for me not to be somewhat agnostic about it. However&#8230; I do enjoy CF, and hope to continue developing in it when I have the opportunity.</p>
<p>@Brendan &#8230; I don&#8217;t know that everyone only chooses what they are comfortable with. If that was always the case, how would anything *new* gain any traction? I&#8217;ve frequently taken on contracts where the client has determined to use a specific technology, and rather than go through the salesmanship to deter them (from say PHP to CF) &#8230; I went ahead and developed the project in the platform that they chose.</p>
<p>Like I said&#8230; I don&#8217;t think good software comes out of the platform / language you use. Some of these tools are better for certain things&#8230; but at the core, a good developer is going to tend towards good (perhaps comfortable?) patterns no matter what language they are using.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coldfusion Is Not Scalable by Jim Rising</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brendan ... RE: 'It's darn hard to find *good* CF developers' ... I think it's hard to find *good* developers period, CF or not... but I can see your point with respect to labor scalability. The thing is though, you can train that issue away internally if you have the support of the organization by bringing in solid developers regardless of their current toolbox. It is a sort of evangelism. ;)

Really... once you have the basics down, moving from one language to another is a matter of syntax, and any *good* developer is going to have an understanding of more than just one language anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brendan &#8230; RE: &#8216;It&#8217;s darn hard to find *good* CF developers&#8217; &#8230; I think it&#8217;s hard to find *good* developers period, CF or not&#8230; but I can see your point with respect to labor scalability. The thing is though, you can train that issue away internally if you have the support of the organization by bringing in solid developers regardless of their current toolbox. It is a sort of evangelism. <img src='http://www.managedmayhem.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Really&#8230; once you have the basics down, moving from one language to another is a matter of syntax, and any *good* developer is going to have an understanding of more than just one language anyhow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coldfusion Is Not Scalable by Dan Uyemura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Uyemura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality of the matter though, is CF is becoming a (even more) of a boutique language.  It's going to be more and more of  sell to get clients and companies to use it.  Which means, as great or not the technology is is really irrelevant in terms of how hard it's going to be for you to continually find work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality of the matter though, is CF is becoming a (even more) of a boutique language.  It&#8217;s going to be more and more of  sell to get clients and companies to use it.  Which means, as great or not the technology is is really irrelevant in terms of how hard it&#8217;s going to be for you to continually find work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coldfusion Is Not Scalable by Brendan Wovchko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan Wovchko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jim!

I think people still see ColdFusion as PHP's ugly, red-headed stepchild.  True or not, that's the perception a lot of people have.  There are a lot of people who insist on MySQL in situations where Postgres is superior, or PHP where Python is superior.  As we all know, people choose what they are comfortable with.  The problem is when they tailor those opinions into definitive statements.  I've seen this happen as well.

I agree with you that CF can be scalable in both the volume and financial aspects.  It's possible that the scalability this person was referring to was labor oriented.  It's darn hard to find *good* CF developers.  If I were to walk into a project where CF were used, that would be my primary concern.  However, I'd do a little due-diligence on the subject before calling it "not scalable".

Brendan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jim!</p>
<p>I think people still see ColdFusion as PHP&#8217;s ugly, red-headed stepchild.  True or not, that&#8217;s the perception a lot of people have.  There are a lot of people who insist on MySQL in situations where Postgres is superior, or PHP where Python is superior.  As we all know, people choose what they are comfortable with.  The problem is when they tailor those opinions into definitive statements.  I&#8217;ve seen this happen as well.</p>
<p>I agree with you that CF can be scalable in both the volume and financial aspects.  It&#8217;s possible that the scalability this person was referring to was labor oriented.  It&#8217;s darn hard to find *good* CF developers.  If I were to walk into a project where CF were used, that would be my primary concern.  However, I&#8217;d do a little due-diligence on the subject before calling it &#8220;not scalable&#8221;.</p>
<p>Brendan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coldfusion Is Not Scalable by Jim Rising</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding of the EULA was that it is limited to a single instance of Standard, or 10 instances of Enterprise. Still great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of the EULA was that it is limited to a single instance of Standard, or 10 instances of Enterprise. Still great stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coldfusion Is Not Scalable by andy matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With ColdFusion 9 Adobe is adding in the ability to run CF in the Cloud at no additional charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With ColdFusion 9 Adobe is adding in the ability to run CF in the Cloud at no additional charge.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Managed Mayhem &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why I don&#8217;t like to give free estimates for software development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think that this expectation is the primary reason why we have such a rash of ball park estimates in this industry. If it&#8217;s only a &#8216;contest&#8217; of who can come up with the best price [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think that this expectation is the primary reason why we have such a rash of ball park estimates in this industry. If it&#8217;s only a &#8216;contest&#8217; of who can come up with the best price [...]</p>
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